Episode 0x1A -- Happy Holidays Everyone

Upcoming this week...

  1. SCREW THE NEWS!!!!!!!
  2. and then our discussion topic-- Predictions and Prognostication

And if you've got commentary, please sent it to mailbag@liquidmatrix.org for us to check out.

DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones if you're at work.

ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER: In case it is unclear, this is the story of 4 opinionated infosec pros who have sufficient opinions of their own they don't need to speak for anyone except themselves. Ok? Good.

In this episode:

  • Discussion topic -
    1. Dave's Point of view(cough cough sputter germs)
    2. Ben Says...looking back... weaponized stuff, and the lack of it looking forward... good enough security leads us to more awesome projects like security onion
    3. The Intern opines on conferences, human resources and infosec
    4. Matt is in denial about... Jamie and I quoted in an article together! Hack all the toasters! Breaches!! 2012 Web Vuln Stats super crazy chicken pants. SQLi What?! Passwords suck! (Password Reset sucks harder!) Bug Bounty! (Yandex)
    5. James gets the last word... THE FUCKING SCADAS
    6. no he doesn't... Ben wants to say something
  • In Closing
    1. Seacrest Says: You'll see my ball dropping in a week!

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Direct download: LSDPodcast-1A.mp3
Category:LSD_Podcasts -- posted at: 5:18pm EST

In what can only be described as a collision of intergalactic import, the three bestest information security podcasts have come together and produced...

THE SOUTHERN MATRIX HOSE PODCAST

Have a listen for a half hour of:

Bringing you the infosec commentary that you crave from the Security Zone conference in beautiful Cali Columbia.

Since we're in a tropical paradise, there really isn't the patience for things like show notes. Have a listen and you'll be impressed, we swear.

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Direct download: slmrh1.mp3
Category:LSD_Podcasts -- posted at: 5:21pm EST

Episode 0x19 -- It's EARLY - and we like it!

No Matt. But Ben does a great Matt impression. In mashed potatoes.

It's another week in the wide wonderful world of Infosec. And every day feels like drinking from the firehose of Infosec Reactions. Seriously.

Upcoming this week...

  1. Lots of News
  2. Breaches
  3. SCADAs
  4. DERPs!!!
  5. and then our discussion topic-- You Got Half A Budget Now What?

And if you've got commentary, please sent it tomailbag@liquidmatrix.org for us to check out.

DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones if you're at work.

ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER: In case it is unclear, this is the story of 4 opinionated infosec pros who have sufficient opinions of their own they don't need to speak for anyone except themselves. Ok? Good.

In this episode:

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Direct download: LSDPodcast-19.mp3
Category:LSD_Podcasts -- posted at: 12:58pm EST

Episode 0x18-- How Do You Spell Aguardiente?

Beginning the end of 2012 - Because it's time to start making up lists of resolutions that we're not going to follow.

Dave developed a new giggity move, it's called "the kasperskian" - y'all should consider it a way to buy votes that this is an audio only podcast.

  1. Lots of News
  2. Breaches
  3. SCADAs
  4. DERPs!!!
  5. and then our discussion topic--

And if you've got commentary, please sent it tomailbag@liquidmatrix.org for us to check out.

DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones if you're at work.

ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER: In case it is unclear, this is the story of 4 opinionated infosec pros who have sufficient opinions of their own they don't need to speak for anyone except themselves. Ok? Good.

In this episode:

Creative Commons license: BY-NC-SA

Direct download: LSDPodcast-18.mp3
Category:LSD_Podcasts -- posted at: 1:24pm EST

Episode 0x17-- Turkey Time

We're going to try to keep this one relatively short. Seriously.

Of course, it's a day late because I did a boo boo on the recording. Don't ask.

Upcoming over the next hour...

  1. Lots of News
  2. Breaches
  3. SCADAs
  4. DERPs!!!
  5. and then our discussion topic--

And if you've got commentary, please sent it tomailbag@liquidmatrix.org for us to check out.

DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones if you're at work.

ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER: In case it is unclear, this is the story of 4 opinionated infosec pros who have sufficient opinions of their own they don't need to speak for anyone except themselves. Ok? Good.

In this episode:

  • News
    1. Hack any skype account in 6 easy steps
    2. FACEBOOK SSL FOR EVERYONE
    3. Linux rootkit doing iFrame injections  [Full Disclosure]  [CrowdStrike]
    4. Dissecting a Facebook Scam
    5. Telstra - still can't get security right
    6. Killing 4G networks with a suitcase radio thingy
    7. Wikid Publishes free eGuide on adding 2factor
    8. Web Engineer's Online Toolbox
  • Breaches - The never ending never ending story...
    1. FreeBSD intruded upon
    2. Skype
    3. Adobe
    4. NASA - good at going to Mars, not so much at keeping laptops safe
    5. Health facilities in Mass and RI lose tapes
  • The SCADAs
    1. (WARNING: PDF) From Luigi Auriemma - ABB has problems that look like CoDeSys
    2. Obama signs secret directive to help thwart cyberattacks
  • Errata / DERP of the week award
    1. United States on Brink of Major Cyber Attack, Industry Executive Predicts  Deloitte Center for Cyber Innovation
  • Mailbag / Bizarro Land
    1. RE: Canadian Satellites

      Hey guys.
      Thanks for the shout-out in Episode 14 regarding the Diginotar report.
      Unfortunately I'm going to have to award you guys a mini-derp award for your comments that same episode on the story about the Canadian Navy buying satellite services from Inmarsat as satellites just happen to be my area of expertise. Yes, Canada does have its own communications satellites.
      They are managed by a company called Telesat.
      However, they are not of use to the Canadian Navy because they are located in the wrong place, operate on the wrong frequencies, and provide the wrong types of services for what the Navy needs. Communications satellites of this type operate in the geostationary belt (GEO), an orbit around the Equator 36,000 km above the Earth.
      The radio spectrum in this orbit is pretty congested, so early on international regulation of the satellites in this orbit and the spectrum they use was given to an organization called the ITU. Countries apply to the ITU for specific orbital slots and frequencies in the GEO belt and then license those to their companies. Canada has slots over North America and associated frequencies that are used by Telesat for what's called Fixed Satellite Services (FSS) - mainly broadcast TV and a host of communications services to remote communities in northern Canada. But these frequencies and antenna patterns are not what's used for mobile communications, nor does Canada have any satellite slots in other locations to provide global coverage which is kinda important for ships. Inmarsat on the other hand has the slots and frequency allocations to specialize in Mobile Satellite Services (MSS). They have a fleet of satellites located at various points around the Equator to give global coverage and the types of frequencies and coverage to provide mobile services to ships. Pretty much if you're operating a ship you're going to buy services from Inmarsat. More: Telesat and Inmarsat

      Brian W.

    2. Skyrim Jokes

      Hey guys, I don't have any Skyrim jokes but do have an odd anecdote for you. While playing Skyrim and listening to the LSD, I've found that I _have_ to turn off the xbox kinect controls or else bad things happen. Apparently Matt's voice is finely tuned as a Weirding Word. I'll be merrily bopping around a character in a dungeon of some type when, all of a sudden, a dragon shout get kicked off and kills all attempts at stealth that I've been trying to muster. It's only Matt's voice that kicks off the shouts. Take that for what you will. John D.

      Fus Roh Dah!
    3. Wrong questions being asked about security involvement in PMO/SDLC work

      Hey guys, I'm listening to 0x15 and a question made in there really got in between my teeth. "Does making security part of the SDLC make the software more secure?" is the wrong question to be asking. Whether or not having risk evaluations or threat modeling part of the SDLC should be a concern but not the approach I've found work when I've introduced it into the SDLCs of which I've been involved. Let's break out of our security cliques for a moment and realize that ultimately many of use tell ourselves that what we do matters in order to justify the dissonance we have in our brains for putting up with the crap we do because we actually enjoy what we do, for the most part. By and large, we're not altruists. Having the guts to come out and say "Yeah, I know what I do for an organization rarely makes the world a better place, but gosh darn it I like/love what I do." can go a long way to asking the right questions to keep ourselves employed and pertinent to the business that pays us to do cool things. Once you get out of the "what I do is important, dammit" mindset, asking the following question better serves us as a whole. Does making security part of the SDLC/project/product make the business more money or save the business more money had it not been part of the SDLC/project/product as much as we're pushing? If you can justify the change, you can be relatively assured that someone in charge of playing with the moneys with listen. Phrasing the question that way also lends to promoting the idea to the money people that what they do is ultimately important and feeds their own dissonance hating mechanisms. John D. P.S. This approach has also saved me from the dreaded infosec burnout.

  • In Closing
    1. Movie Review Matt saw Twilight - point and laugh!
    2. We do research too - Ben's running a survey and will publish results. Check it out!
    3. The Security Conference Library
    4. If you're interested in helping out with openCERT.ca, drop a line to info@openCERT.ca
    5. Contribute to the Strategic Defense Execution Standard (#SDES) and you'll be Doing Infosec Right in no time.
    6. Upcoming Appearances: James at SecurityZone in Cali, Colombia
    7. Signing up for a SANS course? Be sure to use the code "Liquidmatrix_150" and save $150 off the course fee!
    8. Seacrest Says: "go do bad bad things to a turkey"

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Direct download: LSDPodcast-17.mp3
Category:LSD_Podcasts -- posted at: 4:44pm EST

Episode 0x16-- One Time, At Security Camp...

There's too much news. We need to do MORE podcasts!

Also, it's time to say goodbye Mitt!!! Can't say as we're sorry to see you go, but yaknow.

Upcoming over the next hour...

  1. Lots of News
  2. Breaches
  3. SCADAs
  4. DERPs!!!
  5. and then our discussion topic -- hunting dirty traitor rat bastids!!!

And if you've got commentary, please sent it tomailbag@liquidmatrix.org for us to check out.

DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones if you're at work.

ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER: In case it is unclear, this is the story of 4 opinionated infosec pros who have sufficient opinions of their own they don't need to speak for anyone except themselves. Ok? Good.

In this episode:

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Direct download: LSDPodcast-16.mp3
Category:LSD_Podcasts -- posted at: 5:34pm EST

Television Episode 0x03 -- SecTor Interviews The Third

NFC with Charlie - IT'S MILLER TIME

Back again again - An interview with Charlie Miller at Sector during which you may want to hold your phone tightly in a tinfoil hat of it's own.

If you don't know the name Charlie Miller - you should head over and read his Wikipedia Page first and then come back and watch the video. Charlie has been doing some cool things with NFC on phones. He's goooooood at messing them up using only a passive NFC tag! You'll learn something if you pay attention, I swear.

There's more of these in the queue. Tell us what you think or what you'd like to see.

And if you've got commentary, please sent it to mailbag@liquidmatrix.org for us to check out.

DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones/cover the screen if you're at work.

ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER: In case it is unclear, this is the story of 4 opinionated infosec pros who have sufficient opinions of their own they don't need to speak for anyone except themselves. Ok? Good.

Creative Commons license: BY-NC-SA

Direct download: LSD-TVEp0x03-med.m4v
Category:LSD_Television -- posted at: 9:24pm EST

Episode 0x15 -- So Much News...

Pre-election Bets Are Off

Starting off this week with a couple of Con Reports - Ben, you go first... how was HackFest? ((wait)) and Dave - what was the high point of your HackFest experience? ((crickets))

Upcoming over the next hour...

  1. Lots of News
  2. Breaches
  3. SCADAs
  4. DERPs!!!
  5. and then our discussion topic -- Security in a Project Context

And if you've got commentary, please sent it to mailbag@liquidmatrix.org for us to check out.

DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones if you're at work.

ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER: In case it is unclear, this is the story of 4 opinionated infosec pros who have sufficient opinions of their own they don't need to speak for anyone except themselves. Ok? Good.

In this episode:

Creative Commons license: BY-NC-SA

Direct download: LSDPodcast-15.mp3
Category:LSD_Podcasts -- posted at: 3:14pm EST

Episode 0x14-- Happy Birthday Mr. Gattaca... we'll vote for you too.

There's interesting things afoot. Y'all should pay attention.

This is the 21st episode for those of you that don't have 16 fingers. Not sure we should be revealing this yet, but it's going to be a wild winter solstice celebration this year. The southern folk at Southern Fried Security and this gang of teenage malcontents are up to no good. Well, actually extra special good. Let me sum up - it's Security Charity... Gangnam Style.

Stay tuned for the carnage.

Upcoming over the next hour...

  1. Lots of News
  2. Breaches
  3. SCADAs
  4. DERPs!!!
  5. and then our discussion topic--Disaster Recovery

And if you've got commentary, please sent it tomailbag@liquidmatrix.org for us to check out.

DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones if you're at work.

ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER: In case it is unclear, this is the story of 4 opinionated infosec pros who have sufficient opinions of their own they don't need to speak for anyone except themselves. Ok? Good.

In this episode:

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Direct download: LSDPodcast-14.mp3
Category:LSD_Podcasts -- posted at: 1:58pm EST

Episode 0x13 -- the 20th episode for those of you that don't have 16 fingers

The Pirate Bay is in the clouds, but we got here first, so suck it!!!

  1. Lots of News
  2. Breaches
  3. SCADAs
  4. DERPs!!!
  5. and then our discussion topic - Responsible Disclosure

And if you've got commentary, please sent it to mailbag@liquidmatrix.org for us to check out.

DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones if you're at work.

ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER: In case it is unclear, this is the story of 4 opinionated infosec pros who have sufficient opinions of their own they don't need to speak for anyone except themselves. Ok? Good.

In this episode:

Creative Commons license: BY-NC-SA

Direct download: LSDPodcast-13.mp3
Category:LSD_Podcasts -- posted at: 6:19pm EST

Television Episode 0x02 -- SecTor Interviews The Second

A Full Dose of Rothman

Back again - and understand that we're serious this time.

Attempt to not learn something as I interview Mike Rothman (@securityincite), Analyst and The PRESIDENT of Securosis. Please try to pay attention. There's an awesome amount of information in there.

There's more of these in the queue. Tell us what you think or what you'd like to see.

And if you've got commentary, please sent it to mailbag@liquidmatrix.org for us to check out.

DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones/cover the screen if you're at work.

ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER: In case it is unclear, this is the story of 4 opinionated infosec pros who have sufficient opinions of their own they don't need to speak for anyone except themselves. Ok? Good.

Download the m4v

Direct download: LSD-TVEp0x02-med.m4v
Category:LSD_Television -- posted at: 12:49pm EST

Episode 12 -- These are the Daves I know I know

He claims it's not his fault he missed an episode...

Yes, we're still doing a podcast. Lots of you listen. It's kinda awesome. We promise to be more awesome in the future.

And tonight, let us regale you with tales of:

  1. Lots of News
  2. Breaches
  3. SCADAs
  4. DERPs!!!
  5. …and then our discussion topic - IDS IS DEAD

And if you've got commentary, please sent it to mailbag@liquidmatrix.org for us to check out.

DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones if you're at work.

ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER: In case it is unclear, this is the story of 4 opinionated infosec pros who have sufficient opinions of their own they don't need to speak for anyone except themselves. Ok? Good.

In this episode:

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Direct download: LSDPodcast-12.mp3
Category:LSD_Podcasts -- posted at: 6:24pm EST

Television Episode 0x01 -- SecTor Interviews The First

Video even - inorite!

We gave you a warning and then didn't follow through, so we understand the confusion. This is the first of many Liquidmatrix Security Television Episodes which we naively think you might enjoy.

To start off, we've got this delicious interview with Dave Mortman (@mortman), the Chief Security Architect of Enstratus. Watch as Dave regales you with tales of the way things where back when he was a boy ((It appears that he's still a boy, but that's all charm.))

There's more of these in the queue. Tell us what you think or what you'd like to see.

And if you've got commentary, please sent it to mailbag@liquidmatrix.org for us to check out.

DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones/cover the screen if you're at work.

ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER: In case it is unclear, this is the story of 4 opinionated infosec pros who have sufficient opinions of their own they don't need to speak for anyone except themselves. Ok? Good.

Creative Commons license: BY-NC-SA

Direct download: LSD-TVEp0x01-med.m4v
Category:LSD_Television -- posted at: 11:03am EST

Episode 11 -- Dave's Away

w00000000000000000t!

Hey Everyone, welcome to the Liquidmatrix Security Podcast - Episode 0x11 or the 18th recording for those who don’t start with zero and are not good at Hexadecimal - or math, like us.

Everyone showed up except Dave. Something about Canadian Thanksgiving causing a Turkey Coma. We manage to struggle through without him. Actually, we think the show turned out just fine. We don't need no stinkin' Dave.

And tonight, let us regale you with tales of:

  1. LOTS OF NEWS
  2. Breaches
  3. SCADAs
  4. Errata
  5. …and then our discussion topic - the con report SecTor and Derbycon

And if you've got commentary, please sent it to mailbag@liquidmatrix.org for us to check out.

DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones if you're at work.

ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER: In case it is unclear, this is the story of 4 opinionated infosec pros who have sufficient opinions of their own they don't need to speak for anyone except themselves. Ok? Good.

In this episode:

Creative Commons license: BY-NC-SA

Direct download: LSDPodcast-11.mp3
Category:LSD_Podcasts -- posted at: 5:48pm EST

Episode 10 -- It's Special

recorded live at SecTor 2012

There is no Matt. Again. So we found a replacement. As it turns out, pretty much any American who's name starts with "M" will do. Huge thanks to Mike Rothman for helping out with the madness.

This discussion has only the four topics:

  1. Summer of Breaches
  2. Cyber
  3. authN / authZ
  4. Compliancy

And if you've got commentary, please sent it to mailbag@liquidmatrix.org for us to check out.

DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones if you're at work.

ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER: In case it is unclear, this is the story of 4 opinionated infosec pros who have sufficient opinions of their own they don't need to speak for anyone except themselves. Ok? Good.

Creative Commons license: BY-NC-SA

Direct download: LSDPodcast-10.mp3
Category:LSD_Podcasts -- posted at: 6:47pm EST

Episode F -- Aboot that

it's not a boot, it's just a really big shoe

Matt won’t be joining us tonight, it’s Ben’s fault. A quick shout out to Jimmy Vo, you will need approximately 15 or F shot glasses for this episode.

Aboot, Aboot, Aboot, Aboot!

And tonight, let us regale you with tales of:

  1. More Malware
  2. Less Malware
  3. The SSL monsters
  4. Ry-Hi
  5. Twitter
  6. GoDaddy
  7. Breaches
  8. SCADAs
  9. …and then our discussion topic - what happens after the bad thing happens

And if you've got commentary, please sent it to mailbag@liquidmatrix.org for us to check out.

DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones if you're at work.

ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER: In case it is unclear, this is the story of 4 opinionated infosec pros who have sufficient opinions of their own they don't need to speak for anyone except themselves. Ok? Good.

In this episode:

Creative Commons license: BY-NC-SA

Direct download: LSDPodcast-F.mp3
Category:LSD_Podcasts -- posted at: 7:30pm EST

Episode E -- Just a bunch of hosers

Teh Podcast Warz Haz Begun!

It's another week in infosec. I can't get excited about it either. Too many news stories of note, breaches and a new section - the SCADAs. In the same way that we had too many breach stories so we broke them out, we're doing the same with SCADA. Expect a lot of derision from Dave and I -- there's a lot of bullshit and we're calling it.

We'd also like to wave hello to the team at Riskhose. We're sorry that you misinterpreted young Matt's question - we'll straighten you out when we do our Risk-tacular episode this fall. Also, we're starting to suspect that the Riskhose Utahian may be a closet Canadian - he knows too much about Canadian musicians and he does know all of the words to Romantic Traffic (and yes Alex, when you come to Toronto, we'll go visit all of the subway stations so that you can produce your fan version of the video.)

Interestingly, between the Riskhose podcast and some threats from the Southern Fried Security bunch, it's on - the Podcast Wars are here - expect that the next few months are going to be epic in the world of infosec podcasting. We may even take a swipe at NetSec!

  1. Syria
  2. SSL Certificate Hijinks
  3. Cyber
  4. Hackers
  5. OSX
  6. Canadianisms
  7. The WIFIs
  8. Google-ized
  9. …and then our discussion topic - Dumb Stories

And if you've got commentary, please sent it to mailbag@liquidmatrix.org for us to check out.

DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones if you're at work.

ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER: In case it is unclear, this is the story of 4 opinionated infosec pros who have sufficient opinions of their own they don't need to speak for anyone except themselves. Ok? Good.

In this episode:

Direct download: LSDPodcast-E.mp3
Category:LSD_Podcasts -- posted at: 12:36pm EST

Episode D -- The Boys of Summer

Good News Everybody!

This is the longest one we've recorded yet -- by 0:59 -- and we will try to get these back down under an hour. Pinky swear. We've also gone over 10000 downloads from 63 countries. That's kinda cool - and thank you all very much. Lots of good stuff in this episode, it's totally worth the 74 minutes.

  1. Hackers
  2. The SCADAs
  3. Java
  4. Lawyers
  5. MOAR SCADAS!!!!
  6. Apple, Microsoft
  7. Stupid Employee Tricks
  8. …and then our discussion topic - Employee Tricks

And if you've got commentary, please sent it to mailbag@liquidmatrix.org for us to check out.

DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones if you're at work.

ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER: In case it is unclear, this is the story of 4 opinionated infosec pros who have sufficient opinions of their own they don't need to speak for anyone except themselves. Ok? Good.

In this episode:

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Direct download: LSDPodcast-D.mp3
Category:LSD_Podcasts -- posted at: 3:13pm EST

Episode C -- Brain Dump Semi-slow news week this week so we used the bulk of our time to talk about a topic most of us struggle with (even some of us on the show) productivity! A few stories and our opinions as usual and also a letter from a listener regarding our own Dave running for the ISC2 board. Again, if you have anything comments, questions, suggestions, hatred, bickering, cyberdouchery, please sent it to mailbag@liquidmatrix.org for us to check out. DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones if you're at work. ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER: In case it is unclear, this is the story of 4 opinionated infosec pros who have sufficient opinions of their own they don't need to speak for anyone except themselves. Ok? Good. In this episode:

Creative Commons license: BY-NC-SA

Direct download: LSDPodcast-C.mp3
Category:LSD_Podcasts -- posted at: 2:33pm EST

Episode B -- Artificial Intelligence Something pithy should probably be written here. All of us have so much on the go that we're saving our creativity for the podcast. Also, this one is pretty long. If you have thoughts or ideas, please send them to the MailBag (mailbag@liquidmatrix.org) and we'll talk about it here. DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones if you're at work. ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER: In case it is unclear, this is the story of 4 opinionated infosec pros who have sufficient opinions of their own they don't need to speak for anyone except themselves. Ok? Good. In this episode:

Direct download: LSDPodcast-B.mp3
Category:LSD_Podcasts -- posted at: 3:29pm EST

Episode A -- The Revolving Absence No James this week. Apparently, he's afraid of the Cylon^WBen invasion. Also, don't forget to throw something in the old email for us (mailbag@liquidmatrix.org), we're getting lonely - don't you still love us? DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones if you're at work. ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER: In case it is unclear, this is the story of 4 opinionated infosec pros who have sufficient opinions of their own they don't need to speak for anyone except themselves. Ok? Good. In this episode:

Direct download: LSDPodcast-A.mp3
Category:LSD_Podcasts -- posted at: 11:31am EST

Episode 9 -- No Need For Syncizationhron So we find ourselves again again Mattless. We skipped out last week cause of bad hair, bad mojo, conflu and bad karma -- and $19.95 hotel internet (we have no budget and Canadian telco’s suck for roaming. )Also, this episode is a week late. The blame lies entirely with Ben's computer/ISP issues. Either that or Ben is a closet Cylon and doesn't want us to know. Notes etc. to mailbag@liquidmatrix.org -- we love to hear from you! DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones if you're at work. ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER: In case it is unclear, this is the story of 4 opinionated infosec pros who have sufficient opinions of their own they don't need to speak for anyone except themselves. Ok? Good. In this episode:

Direct download: LSDPodcast-9.mp3
Category:LSD_Podcasts -- posted at: 11:23am EST

Episode 8 -- Bikini Troubles So we find ourselves again Mattless. What is it with security professionals and Hawaii? Good stuff in here, sorry about botching last week's episode link - this one should work better, also, go back and download last weeks. Notes etc. to mailbag@liquidmatrix.org -- we love to hear from you! DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones if you're at work. ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER: In case it is unclear, this is the story of 4 opinionated infosec pros who have sufficient opinions of their own they don't need to speak for anyone except themselves. Ok? Good. In this episode:

Direct download: LSDPodcast-8.mp3
Category:LSD_Podcasts -- posted at: 4:44pm EST

Episode 7 -- Breach Week Special! Perfectionism is the enemy of publishing on time. It's another week and we've got a solid hour of discussion about the stuff that's important in the world of infosec this week. DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones if you're at work. ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER: In case it is unclear, this is the story of 4 opinionated infosec pros who have sufficient opinions of their own they don't need to speak for anyone except themselves. Ok? Good. In this episode:

Creative Commons license: BY-NC-SA

Direct download: LSDPodcast-7.mp3
Category:LSD_Podcasts -- posted at: 10:30pm EST

Episode 6 -- Anybody Know How Google Voice Works? MAGIC! Sorry for the delay in posting folks, someone (cough, @gattaca, cough) has a crappy ISP and someone (cough, SEACREST, cough) talks quietly and has a crappy mic, there's about 7 hours of editing and tweaking on this one -- and it still sounds like crap. DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones if you're at work. In this episode:

  • News
    1. BREAKING NEWS: Liquidmatrix Security Male Model on COVER of SCMag (also talks about Risk Management or something)
    2. Debit/credit card photos in tweets -- This Twitter account proves the infinite stupidity of humans (and other stupid shit ways to post pictures of your douchetacularness NSFW)
    3. Amazon talks about what went wrong in US East & Leap second makes availability pain (Check out the funny Twitter @AmazonStatus & CAP theorem)
    4. Phisher faces 50 years in the slammer
    5. Alaska Department of Health and Social Services fined for breach & Appeals court calls bank’s security “commercially unreasonable”
    6. Pornoscanners go mobile
    7. Wireless Hacking Suspected in Air Raid Siren Miscues
    8. Comodo blacklists itself (truth in Certificate Selling)
    9. Something bad happened in the iOS App Store... twice. Which (considering the relative sizes of the install base of iOS vs. well, everything) is still pretty awesome.
  • Commentary
    1. Errata
    2. Foot In The Door
      • hire the right auditors
      • use them as a tool to raise issues up to the executive
      • tell them the problem areas
      • invest time in the auditors and point them to your pain
      • feed them recommendation
      • don’t let them position compliance as security
    3. Hardcore
      • The box kicking story
      • For example -- finding a way to get the answer they don’t want to give
      • The prevarication story
      • Another opportunity to learn from auditors/old people
      • Asking questions into negative space -- to find answers you need to find the place in the middle where the facts have not coalesced.
      • Peter Falk - Just one more thing...
      • Matlock - How to get the jury to see it your way...
  • Mailbag
    1. mailbag@liquidmatrix.org

      Long time listener, first time writing in...

      I find myself compelled to write inasmuch as I found myself shouting at my iPod yesterday. I, of course, am referring to "Liquid Matrix Security Digest Podcast Episode 2" where a conversation about "What Should You Do If You Are The CISO Of A Breached Company?" occurred. Forgive me as I left the Post-It note with the timestamps of the offending speech on the mirror in my bathroom so that I may focus my Daily Rage upon it as I carefully shave "I da CISO, bitch!" into my scalp each morning.

      In essence Ben argued that the role of the CISO in the event of a password breach is to stride confidently into the CEOs office and say "I told you this was going to happen, this is not my fault, and we need to force all users to change passwords - Damn The Consequences, Man!" (While this is not a direct quote it it was I very distinctly heard...)

      While this is a nice gedankenexperiment in that it is very cool to imagine ourselves in the role of "Captain Astounding: Protector Of Users" but the reality of a breached company has certain rules..

      1) If the breached company is a startup or new venture the Senior Management regards this event as an existential crisis. Not so much to the company itself - but to their exit plan (hey, who doesn't dream of being bought by Facebook or Microsoft for a billion dollars?) or to their about-to-be-so-far-underwater-they-implode stock options. Lose track of this fact and You Are Toast.

      2) If the breached company is an older company the critical component is the quality of business leadership available. If they take counsel of their fears - see Rule 1. If they take a more mature view you can actually get effective response but know that you have almost no influence on that outcome.

      3) If you were the CISO pre-breach you have to realize your credibility and professional competence is seriously in question by *everyone*. It matters not that you wrote 523 emails protesting storage of passwords in clear text, nor that you did not get the budget to keep your IPS under maintenance, nor that $Security_Requirement was ignored. If this offends your sensibilities I would simply refer you to the Book of Hezekiah, Chapter 9, Verse 27 where it is written "Yea, and the LORD spake unto the people, and the LORD spake "Life is not fair - never said it was, never said it will be - Get Over It!" and thus the people were greatly nonplussed".

      4) If you are the successor to the CISO who ran the shop pre-breach you have to realize that nobody believes anything you say without the Incident Response Consultants agreeing with you. You have not been around long enough for anyone to trust you or to accept your influence. You will not be seen having the same "at-risk" quotient as everyone else (See Rule 1 above).

      5) Almost everyone company that experiences a major breach turns a significant portion of the response and decision making to Outside Counsel and Incident Response Consultants. There are good and bad reasons for doing this - let's just accept that it happens. Fighting these folks - especially Outside Counsel - is generally a No Win situation (See Rule 3 & 4 above).

      So what do you do?

      You do what you can. You use whatever influence you have to try to do the right thing. But realize a breach response is *not* a Security Problem it is a Business Problem and that business folks are going to be in charge. If you cannot deal with that - you might want to become a Incident Response Consultant.

      Love, Uncle @armorguy

  • In Closing
    1. Tweetup - has to be pushed, sorry folks
    2. Bsides/BlackHat/DEF CON -- all but Ben / The Intern shall be there.
    3. Also, DEF CON has been cancelled - check status here
    4. Hacker Pyramid!
    5. Also, have a look at the Declaration of Internet Freedom. We like it. You should like it too. Although Liking it on Facebook shows that you don’t understand the fucking point of the Declaration.
    6. As of recording time, tomorrow is the day when the internet shuts down -- DNSchanger DNS servers are going down. So I guess you won’t ever hear this episode.
    7. THERE IS NO SEACREST.

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We've been threatening to do something interesting and cool...

We're happy to announce that we will be producing a bi-weekly video podcast edition - tightly edited to a broadcast friendly 22 minutes in length. Perfect to watch while having lunch or between an episode of M*A*S*H and Barney Miller. 

Thanks for all of your support so far and we look forward to invading your space regularly to make some friends and maybe even learn a thing or two.

((PS: Based on comments from listeners, we're going to make some changes and give you a more granular set of RSS feeds so that you can select to receive exactly the version of our show that makes you the happiest. If you're subscribed to the general feed, this is the last full video episode you'll see.))

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Category:LSD_Television -- posted at: 1:45pm EST

Episode 5 -- Everybody's Working For The Weekend (Canada Day Edition) The fun with the Liquidmatrix gang continues in this episode. Pay close attention and you'll notice that there aren't any edits in this one. That's right - one take and we've got it in the can. Lots of good stuff in here - let us know if we missed anything. DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones if you're at work. In this episode:

  • News
    1. Operation Card Shop - UGNazi and 23 others get silver bracelets for free from the feds
    2. Hotels misrepresent credit card data security measures, FTC is not happy
    3. Typo squatter gets spanked by law firm
    4. Bank settles with wire fraud victim
    5. DHS gives federal agencies threat detection packages and DHS demos cyber attack to help sway lawmakers to pass a cyber bill
    6. RSA securid key not so secure - it’s broken - no it isn’t - yes it is - Damn you people - it's the smartcard portion of a dual-use device that's 'broken', quit slamming multi-factor authN.
    7. Portswigger get’s new tricks
    8. -
    9. Errata Charlatan of the Week
  • Commentary
    1. Foot In The Door
      • LM Team,

        First off I want to say that I'm really enjoying the podcast. I'm still very early into my career and trying to transition into InfoSec. I would love to hear about all of your views on Information Security in colleges. I was thinking about it following some twitter chatter between some people and Chris Eng about this. I thought that there were some good conversations. I'm a little bit disappointed since I just finished my M.S in Computer Info Sys with a security concentration. In the classes I took we learned some basic network security concepts. Only touched a bit on web application security. I was hoping we would of done some offensive stuff, but we never did.

        I compared my classes to pen testing classes out there and it seems to me they’re on a better track but what do I know.

        Just some thoughts,
        Jimmy

    2. Hardcore
  • Mailbag
    1. mailbag@liquidmatrix.org
    2. Hi there LiquidM,

      Long-time listener, first time emailer!

      I was wondering if you could help me with a small dilemma I'm facing. I've been working as one of those penetration tester types in the financial sector for a while now, and my company treats me right... but more and more I hear the calling of the darkside... no, not THAT darkside, the calls of those working for security companies and $vendor that get to do exciting things with exciting people! The ones that get to actually TALK about their research...

      So, what's a guy to do? Please LiquidM help me, you're my only hope!
      Chris

      P.S: Love the show... but you guys are very Canadian O.o' ;) See you guys in Vegas I hope.... eh!

    3. Hey there fellow Canucks…

      Over the years I've had many IT jobs, from network admin to system admin for small consulting firms in my area (nothing big). A common theme was the unwillingness to implement the most basic of security mechanisms, or acknowledge the possibility that the systems/networks we would implement for our clients were perhaps done in a un-secure fashion. As a security enthusiast this was very frustrating.

      On a few occasions, I would prove this using a few simple demonstrations on how easy malware, or human, could compromise the network (malicious emails, word/pdf docs, ms08_067 for example). Every time my demonstrations were brushed off as "unlikely" or "impossible", requiring a level of technical knowledge that no employee possesses inside "client X". One such place was an ISP, where we would setup and host websites, providing clients with FTP access to upload and download content. I was actually instructed not to make the passwords too complicated, to ensure our clients were able to use it. Even after I had showed my boss a public exploit (from exploit-db) was available for the FTP software used. Again brushed off as "unlikely" seeing the exploit needed to be authenticated to properly function. This, of course, started the debate of weak passwords that lasted all of 2 seconds… At another spot, I actually showed the senior administrator (my supervisor), hosting a SSH server on port 80 was possible… funny. By now I think you get the picture on how security was handled, so I won't go any further.

      My question is what would you say to the lonely sys-admin, in a small to mid sized firm, on how to handle an employer that doesn't seem concerned at all with security? How should the lonely admin tackle these types of issues without annoying "the boss" with this silly thing called "security", when it's obvious he or she is not willing to listen?

      I'm fortunate enough to no longer be in this situation, but I'm sure there are many out there still living with these types of conditions.
      Steven

      ps.: hope all of this made sense, and good job on the podcast very much enjoying it so far

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Category:LSD_Podcasts -- posted at: 11:20am EST

Episode 4 -- The Gang's all here. Matt has returned from the distant shores of the western USA... but he didn't listen to the podcast from last week - sucker. Lots of good stuff in here - let us know if we missed anything. DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones if you're at work. In this episode:

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Category:LSD_Podcasts -- posted at: 11:26am EST

It's Episode 3 -- We Should Be So Committed. Your heroes find themselves completely Canadian this week as @mattjay is visiting the extreme west coast of America. DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones if you're at work. In this episode:

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Category:LSD_Podcasts -- posted at: 12:12pm EST

It's Episode 2 -- and I'm sure you all know what that means... ... no more talk of midichlorians. And the continuing saga of 4 infosec nerds who will attempt to do what has never been done before... bring you a high quality information security related podcast that is not just a long series of injokes, ranting, personality disorders and hard drive snake oil. DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones if you're at work. In this episode:

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Category:LSD_Podcasts -- posted at: 11:30am EST

Previously on the Liquidmatrix Security Digest Podcast... There was some talk, it was kinda nice. People said "do it again!" and now you're caught up. Welcome back to the Liquidmatrix Security Digest Podcast. The continuing saga of 4 infosec nerds who will attempt to do what has never been done before... bring you a high quality information security related podcast that is not just a long series of injokes, ranting, personality disorders and hard drive snake oil. DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones if you're at work. In this episode:

Creative Commons license: BY-NC-SA Oh, and just because it's awesome... thanks to Bill Pennington!

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Category:LSD_Podcasts -- posted at: 12:55pm EST

You knew it was going to happen sooner or later... Welcome to the first Liquidmatrix Security Digest Podcast. In this series, we will attempt to do what has never been done before... bring you a high quality information security related podcast that is not just a long series of injokes, ranting, personality disorders and hard drive snake oil. DISCLAIMER: It's not that explicit, but you may want to use headphones if you're at work. In this episode:

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Category:LSD_Podcasts -- posted at: 1:28pm EST

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